View source for Talk:Planar Blade (3.5e Class)

== Ratings ==
{{Rating |rater=Surgo
|rating=neutral
|reason=I like the idea of this class, because you can kind of dip it as many levels as you have open for dipping and not doing something else. Could probably use a once-over on all the abilities though.
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{{Rating |rater=Fluffykittens
|rating=oppose
|reason=Not bad- but balance is all over the place. Needs to be balanced to a single point.
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:I feel like I have almost the opposite opinion now. That it is bad (because it's handing out lots and lots of little details to keep track of, and immunities are actually quite lame, especially but not only when the person planning encounters knows which ones you have), but the balance isn't too big a deal because even if you pick Attunements at random you'll get enough of them to get something good. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] ([[User talk:Foxwarrior|talk]]) 07:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
::Even still, you should re-write it until there's fewer fiddly bits (like illiteracy) and a bit more meaningful and obvious choice (perhaps make it a sphereusing class, or something similar?) I'm still keeping it at oppose, but it's not a "fuck you this is awful" oppose, it's "this really needs to be rewritten". --[[User:Fluffykittens|Fluffykittens]] ([[User talk:Fluffykittens|talk]]) 18:38, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
{{Rating |rater=Daemonswolf
|rating=oppose
|reason=There is no sense of balance within the entirety of the world of D&D. This class arbitrarily grants feats in such a manner that doesn't force the character to focus in anyway like the nature of D&D demands. 

This class is incredibly overpowered and the flaw -which is easily overcome- is being illiterate.

It should also be noted that a low intelligence score, as long as the score is above a 10 does not mean stupid. One can have an average intelligence score and still be street smart via WIS or CHA.
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{{Rating |rater=Undead Knave
|rating=oppose
|reason=This class is so unbalanced.  Not in the sense of "This is too strong!" or "This is too weak!" but in the sense that it has no cohesive internal balance.
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I suppose you're going to make me reread my class carefully, rather than helpfully pointing out the outliers. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] ([[User talk:Foxwarrior|talk]]) 19:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

: Well there this one ability that make you take two turn a turn, it can be taken at level 10th. Compared to the terrific electricity... My main complaint about this class is that you get capstone-like ability at level 10th. This is bad for the game. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 20:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

:: I created an account specifically to reply to this post, so forgive any bad formatting on my part. Not only is there no internal balance, but the class itself is excessively powerful. At every level you are effectively granting the character a new FEAT and a new SCHOOL to gain access to, no class gets anything like this.
::For example, let's look at the Basic fire attunement skill. There is a stance in the Book of Nine Swords (Which is all ready considered by many players to be overpowered)that allows a similar ability. It's only granted once per ENCOUNTER not round and you have to waste a stance to do it, there is also feat that grants a similar ability once per ENCOUNTER,not per round. Sure 2 damage doesn't seem like a lot. But at level 1 that gives you the ability to automatically bypass many creatures of a similar rating's DR. Or if you were to use the Unearthed Arcana armor variant allowing armor to act as DR you would automatically be able to bypass the DR of many enemies. That is incredibly terrifying. 
::The rules of D&D allow you to gain a new feat once every 3 levels, you are granting a feat once every level. In other words, let's presume I'm playing a human and I've been allowed to take a flaw to gain a feat. At first level I might have 3 Feats, by Sixth Level I can expect to have 5 feats.
::In comparison a human Planar Blade under the same conditions would have 4 feats by level 1 and 14 feats by level 6. In addition, there is no limitation by following a feat progression- like many character would have to go through. That is in no way balanced.   [[User:Daemonswolf|Daemonswolf]] ([[User talk:Daemonswolf|talk]]) 19:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

::: You might want to check out our [[AB|Balance Ranges]]--many of the things you mentioned are in the High range, while this class is considered Very High and thus is balanced around a different center. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 22:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

::::I don't really think the claim that it's overpowered is very well-grounded. Echoing what Ghosty said, it's listed as a Very High level class, and that comes with the general assumption that it's meant to be played in games with wizards and other properly optimized characters. I also don't see where the "one feat or school per level" business is coming from; you just get a new attunement (i.e. access to a new set of abilities) every other level and further progression in previous attunements at every other level. This scales pretty similar to casters. It never says anything about gaining actual feats as per the existing connotation of the word in D&D.
::::As for the attunements themselves, the basics together allow you to do a fair amount of blasting damage by using all of them together (I think as written you are allowed to do this) but nothing so amazingly over the top that it couldn't be negated by creatures with elemental resistance. And since those free action abilities are limited to once per combat round, you can't even spam them twice per round with the extra turn for the cold attunement, which thusly boils down to an extra move action. I don't really find that to be a huge deal at level 10, and seems pretty in line with auto-melting weapons that attack you (Acid) and increased threat range (Slashing) to name a few. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] ([[User talk:ThunderGod Cid|talk]]) 22:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

{{Rating |rater=Franken Kesey
|rating=Dislike
|reason=This is incomplete and lacking in balance. Looks like an earlier work. It has some cool ideas, and needs a lot of work.

Since there is limited fluff, going strictly off its name it should deal with the planes and blades. Thus the Change, Bludgeoning, Construct, Propaganda, Vile and Transformational Attunements do not fit the flavor. Keep it to planes or blades, '''or''' add flavor to explain what this class does.
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Disliked	Franken Kesey +
Neutral	Surgo +
Opposed	Daemonswolf +, Undead Knave + and Fluffykittens +