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== Minor Notes ==

Obviously I'm on the bandwagon about this article being stupid, but a couple points you are trying to make just ooze stupidity from the pores of the idiot-beast.

* IQ tests are notoriously bad at gauging a person's intelligence. There are hundreds of papers written about this topic, but even still I have a great piece of absolutely useless anecdotal evidence. I used to take IQ tests for fun: I enjoy the puzzles. I ended up writing one for Mensa (just for shits and giggles) and scored a 142. On a professionally administered test. ie. Not one of the completely arbitrary (but also fun) online ones. ''I am not nearly that intelligent''. Maybe you did an online IQ test and wanted to have a 16 Int character or perhaps you honestly believe they are a good measure. Either way, it isn't a good measure.
* There are people that can hold their breath for almost 9 minutes. They do not have 90 Con in RL. Hell, '''as a kid''' when I did competitive swimming, I trained my lung capacity to just over 2 minutes.

And, of course, the amount of arbitrary considerations you have to determine any of the stats just shows that you didn't think this one out very well. Seriously, Eiji's suggestion of ballparking it is probably the best way to do it, if you ''really'' feel the need to make a faithful avatar. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:36, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:*IQ messures reasoning ability, not necessarily intelligence. More that matter, the Intelligence score does not messure intelligence. A character with 18 Int is really as effective as recalling facts, researching piecing togather information as an average Int guy with 4 ranks in a knowledge skill. Also, I have no reason to question your IQ being 142. Studies done on RPG players in the late 80s revealed that gamers averaged about 132 IQ and had similar mentals capability and mindsets to national guardsmen. The only difference? Gamers had a higher tendancy to day dream. As for my Int, taking the average of three tests by three administered by three medical colleges I average at 139, which is somewhere between 15 and 16.
:* If you can seriously hold your breath for 9 minutes, that might represent feats you have taken. Your example of being on a swim team is a good example of that, as there are dozens of feats for swimming that also boost lung capacity.

:This was thought out and tested, and while flawed, the flaws show an incompatibility of the game with real life human capability. That was very much the point of most of the arguments agianst my work, no?--Change=Chaos. Period. [[User:Spazalicious Chaos| SC]] 20:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

::On the one hand, this is just an alternate method of character generation that also happens to be unbalanced. Since "balance" in general is entirely a playstyle thing, I don't find it particularly offensive. I'd probably never use it, but that's hardly a point against it.

::On the other hand, this is setup in such a way that it's possible to create characters who are actually impossible to create within the rules at 1st level. The ease with which you can score above 18 on any given attribute is problematic. Since 18 is supposed to be near the top of level 1 human achievement, with less than .5% of the population having an 18 in any given attribute, the attribute mapping seems off. 25 is simply a terrible starting point.

::There's also references to what levels you should take and that you might have more than 1 of them, but I can't find guidelines for how many of them you should have. I also find the idea that you could build a character greater than level 4 with these rules basically ridiculous, since level 5 and up is where the mundane human world starts to fall behind. That you could map yourself anywhere outside of the level 1-4 range is somewhat hard to swallow, and not at all justified here. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  01:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
:::The level issue is entirely because of how poorly D&D represents human capabilities. I ended up 7th level just to get the feats I could use, thus I ended up a poorly built fighter/rogue/sorceror, and tracking how I changed as a person I added a level of barbarian to that over the last year.
:::25 as the starting point for Dexterity is just for dex, and entirely because I had tested players and found that those with average coordination (dex 10) on average made 15 mistakes in their morning rituals on a three trial run.
:::As for the 18 possibility, that is only a problem if you game with exceptional individuals. For example I have yet to see one of my players create a balanced version of himself. In wod he averages at 1200 XP over basic creation, wheras I'm around 30. In D&D the best way to describe him was Fighter 15/Monk 15/Rogue 10, as opposed to a group average level of 5. Thus, I must conclude that this generation method is not desirable to all parties and may not even work for individuals, but is posted so that those who do desire such a system and would not break the game by existing can use it.--Change=Chaos. Period. [[User:Spazalicious Chaos| SC]] 03:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)