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|reason=<s>Since this is a direct growth of bamf, it shouldn't be surprising that I dislike it as well. Twice the distance, twice the time, the same problematic options and scaling... nope. Not for it.</s> The scaling's been toned down a bit, so the spell now starts at 75' per round and only gets up to 130' per round at level 20. Which is better, but combines with the doubled duration and standard action dump to remain a pretty good combat buff / escape effect for a 5th level spell. It's competing with teleport at this level though, and dimension door is a level below... so it's not too bad here. I still doubt I'd let it into a game.
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|reason=Flavor: Well, as a greater version of another spell, this isn't a big deal. It isn't any better or worse, which is fine.
 
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Mechanics: It seems 1 spell level too high (at least). CL 10 would have dimension door at 800 ft. and this at 200 ft. per jump for 20 rounds. Using multiple actions you can get 600 ft. per round, and probably use up all the duration to bring passengers. So it isn't strictly better (which is probably what you thought when leveling it at 5).
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Mechanics: Looks good now
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Your example for the multiple jumps is inconsistent with the text. A move action jump takes 0 rounds away from the spell's duration (for the first move action), so the second should cost 1 round from the duration. Meaning you reduce the duration by 1 round and also spending a round doing these actions will also take away 1 round of duration.
 
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Formatting: Might be nice to use a bulleted list like Sulacu did.
 
 
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:Hope that helps. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ([[User talk:Aarnott|talk]]) 22:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 
:Hope that helps. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ([[User talk:Aarnott|talk]]) 22:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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::If ''greater bamf'' simply had twice the duration and twice the maximum range-per-teleport that ''bamf'' does, it would be a 4th-level spell. However, I feel that the extra options make it 5th-level instead. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 18:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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== Warmage acquisition delay ==
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How come? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  19:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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:Because ''greater bamf'' isn't a direct-attack spell. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 19:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:53, 10 October 2014

Ratings[edit]

RatedNeutral.png Tarkisflux is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.
Since this is a direct growth of bamf, it shouldn't be surprising that I dislike it as well. Twice the distance, twice the time, the same problematic options and scaling... nope. Not for it. The scaling's been toned down a bit, so the spell now starts at 75' per round and only gets up to 130' per round at level 20. Which is better, but combines with the doubled duration and standard action dump to remain a pretty good combat buff / escape effect for a 5th level spell. It's competing with teleport at this level though, and dimension door is a level below... so it's not too bad here. I still doubt I'd let it into a game.
RatedLike.png Aarnott likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
Flavor: Well, as a greater version of another spell, this isn't a big deal. It isn't any better or worse, which is fine.

Mechanics: Looks good now


Also, line of effect can be worse than line of sight. Line of effect can't go through windows. The article should be something like:
As Bamf, but with the following changes:
  • You can use line of effect instead of line of sight to determine locations to teleport to
  • You can teleport 20 ft. per caster level instead of 10 ft. per caster level
  • etc.
Hope that helps. --Aarnott (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
If greater bamf simply had twice the duration and twice the maximum range-per-teleport that bamf does, it would be a 4th-level spell. However, I feel that the extra options make it 5th-level instead. --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Warmage acquisition delay[edit]

How come? - Tarkisflux Talk 19:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Because greater bamf isn't a direct-attack spell. --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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