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Fluffykittens is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.
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Far, far weaker than how strong a 9th level maneuver at VH balance should be. This is the level that wiz/sorcs are tossing around wish, after all. Still just a flat bonus to grapple and use rope checks at level where freedom of movement is all too commonplace.
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- The argument could be made that freedom of movement is a VH-level defense, and shouldn't be considered when looking at H material. --DanielDraco (talk) 02:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
- There are plenty of ways for non-caster H characters to get FOM; even excluding it, it still simply provides an admittedly massive bonus to both the most useless skill and one good melee move.Fluffykittens (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
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DanielDraco dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
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This throws grapples off the RNG. Further, it beefs up an already incredibly beefy feat. And finally, even with the jocular and coy phrasing, I'm somewhat disturbed by the fact that you not only specified the possibility for rape, but actually attached mechanical significance to it. Glad that's gone. Throwing grapples off the RNG is still a bad thing, though. The only reason that doesn't win it an Oppose all on its own is that grapples already tend to be dunderfucked; but the fact that something is already borked does not entirely excuse borking it further.
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ThunderGod Cid is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.
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| So, not only does this defy some normal conventions of maneuvers by having ability score prerequisites and such, but it's also something of a text wall. Fluff is nice and all, but this toes the line between between having fluff and having just too much text, like the whole bit about it getting the Evil descriptor when the perform an unspecified act. In short, redundant text should, in my opinion, be stricken for a more concise description. Essentially, this stance could be the first paragraph alone, and while the feat synergy is nice it could also be crunched down to less text.
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...The unspecified act is rape. Now do you see why it's Evil?!? --Luigifan18 (talk) 04:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see why any ability should be inherently evil because it can be used to do bad things. Since Magic Missiles, Fireballs, and, hey, even swords are used on good people, should they be considered evil? Should rope be considered evil because it could be used in a rape? Heck no. And as DanielDraco mentioned, the addition of mechanics for rape are, well, disturbing indeed. Usually, you don't mention some things. Yeah, Hold Person could allow the caster to cop a feel, but you don't put ideas into the players' heads. You let them decide what to do with the tools at hand.--Quey (talk) 05:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I'll change it. --Luigifan18 (talk) 13:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
