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== Vagueness ==

The bit about being able to use any effects that modify or employ unarmed strikes is not terribly clear, and could be interpreted to have some unintended effects when used with shuriken. For instance, every time you cast a touch spell, that is an unarmed touch attack. If the spellcaster dipped into monk and took Monk Weapon Focus (shuriken), by RAW they could use those shuriken to deliver the spell. Or a build based around tripping could trip at range. It's not that much of a stretch to even say that, because a martial maneuver can employ unarmed strikes, you can now use martial maneuvers with shuriken. Even stranger, this means that a monk can use shuriken to grapple -- and following the rules as written, this means that, no matter how far away he is when he does so, he moves into his opponent's space for free once he reaches step 4. --[[User:DanielDraco|DanielDraco]] 21:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

:That sounds perfectly Monk-like. The grapple thing is a bit odd, though; perhaps the Monk holds onto the Shuriken when he throws it in that case, but only if he's going to succeed on the earlier steps. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 22:11, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

::The first (touch spells via shuriken) is unintended, but amusing and not particularly broken so I'll leave that in.  I'd also be alright with maneuvers and shurikens, they need more ranged options anyway.  The grapple one is odd though.  How can I word it to seal off that bit of absurdity? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 01:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

:::Replace "effects which modify or employ" with "special abilities that would be delivered through or modify an unarmed strike". Add Stunning Fist to your Snap Kick example, and then exclude grappling from your example because it is a special attack and not a special ability. Add in a line that they can also deliver touch attacks through the weapon. Profit.
:::Alternately, borrow the ranged pin idea and write it in clearly so that they can pin people to walls with shuriken. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  04:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

::::I stopped by to make my rating not Legacy anymore, and having reread this, I'd be entirely willing to up my rating if you actually could do stuff like grapple and trip people with shuriken with this.  This is for Monks.  That's the kind of stuff they should be able to do. --[[User:Undead Knave|Undead_Knave]] ([[User talk:Undead Knave|talk]]) 20:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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