View source for Talk:Epic Rapid Spellcasting 2.0 (3.5e Feat)

This has all information required and is no less complete than the original 1.0 version from several years ago.

Seriously, be specific in the discussion Bluez and I'll fix it.

As with every homebrew feat on this site, it's up to DM discretion to accept or decline. The "Incomplete Article" tag is due to a singular individual feeling that the original author will bring their input after several years of inactivity for this singular page.
So I ask those who review this to wait for 6 months for the 1.0 author to give their take before deleting it. I don't believe they will give their opinion during this time. If I'm incorrect, I will agree with their wishes whole-heartedly and won't contest it at all, even if I'm asked to delete this page myself.
Thanks y'all --> Official things, I'm DeanSkell on 4/19/22.

: Each page on the wiki uses a specific template, 3.5e feats is the [[Template:3.5e_Feat|3.5e feat template]].
: I think it would have been easier to just adopt the original feat without making a new one altogether. Or if you just want it to be a reference that you could link people to for your games, you could create an original one in a sandbox. There are a number of options. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 08:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

::I agree with Ghostwheel, it's just a matter of formalities to keep the wiki organized. I suggest you read some other articles and the guidelines to help familiarize with the formats.

:: To be fair the original feat had the same problems as yours, as it doesn't fit the scaling format for spellcasting feat, if I'm not correct. I suggest you make your feat (or the original one, if you adopt it) into a standard feat and make it scale with caster level. I can help you, if you want. 

::''Edit'': I was right, even the original one's scaling is strange, and Ghostwheel took care of that already. Well DeanSkell, if you look at other spellcasting feats you'll see that they scale up with the highest spell level you can cast, not your caster level. To be fair you and LRimus made Epic Spellcasting feats, which didn't existed before, and effectively would not scale if taken by an epic, full spellcaster, so your intuition wasn't bad. The problem is that no such rules exist on the wiki so I don't know if and how you could implement them. Maybe Ghostwheel or other admins/old users can help you with that. If this is not possible I'd suggest, as said, that you removed the scaling and spellcasting tags and simply make it into a standard epic feat which gives additional effects upon reaching certain caster levels. As a reference, you can find more about Spellcasting feats [[Tome Spellcasting Feats|here]] and [[Book_of_Elements_(3.5e_Sourcebook)/Elementals_of_Style#Spellcasting_Feats|here]].

::You can sign your posts with the '''Sign your username''' prompt below the save changes button. --[[User:The bluez in the dungeon|The bluez in the dungeon]] ([[User talk:The bluez in the dungeon|talk]]) 08:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

:::Bluez, thank you. Epic feats won't conform to the prescribed scaling feats because it's epic. As far as I can tell, there's no clause for epic considerations on this site at all. I checked deletion and editing policies already. If it suggests epic, it should be explicit. If I'm mistaken, let me know. Otherwise, it seems someone's policing something that isn't specified whatsoever under the rules being "violated" without regard for said rules. [[User:DeanSkell|DeanSkell]] ([[User talk:DeanSkell|talk]]) 05:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: I'll reiterate; the reason for the current incomplete template is not because it doesn't follow the scaling for epic feats (irrelevant to the incompleteness of the page), it's that it doesn't use the [[Template:3.5e_Feat|3.5e feat template]].
:::: Edit: For this specifically, it might be fitting to use the [[Template:Tome Spellcasting Feat|tome spellcasting template]], [[Template:Tome Innate Feat|tome innate template]], or one of the other scaling templates created specifically for the Tome paradigm. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 05:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: So, what Ghostwheel is proposing is for you to change the feat to something like this:

{{Tome Spellcasting Feat
|name=Epic Rapid Spellcasting 2.0
|types=
|summary=You can cast your spells faster, without metamagic feats.
|prereqs=Caster Level 21, Ability to cast level 9 spells, [[Rapid Spell]] feat, [[Quicken Spell]] feat
|lvl21=You can cast your spells one level faster then before. If it is was days, now it is hours, hours to minutes, minutes to rounds, rounds to standard action.
|lvl26=You can cast your spells in one unit of time, if it was in a few. If it was days, now it one day, hours to 1 hour, minutes to 1 minute, rounds to 1 round.
|lvl31=You can cast your spells one level faster then before. If it was days, now it hours, hours to minutes, minutes to rounds, rounds to standard action.
|lvl36=You can cast your spells that was a standard action, as a free action instead.  You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast such spells. You may cast only one such quickened spell per round.  A spell whose casting time is more than 1 standard action cannot be quickened. Casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.
}}

::::: Edit this section to see what I wrote. As you can see, the result is not what would be desired as the template isn't really meant to work how I wrote it (maybe it was something I did wrong, that is also a possibility, then I would ask Ghostwheel for help), especially because it doesn't use caster level but spell level. Unless another way is possible, I'd go with making it into a standard epic feat, as that would give you more freedom in the way you want to shape it. I'll try also to raise this situation on the discord server, to find someone that can help you better than me. --[[User:The bluez in the dungeon|The bluez in the dungeon]] ([[User talk:The bluez in the dungeon|talk]]) 13:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

::::::It stands to reason that we need feedback from a higher up, like Ghostwheel (who should speak on this soon) to confirm or deny that system that hasn't been introduced. 

== Proper Feat Formatting ==

I was asked to help on the matter, so here we go, just copy and paste the block below. Place between your authorbox and the categories. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 04:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

{{3.5e Feat
|name=Epic Rapid Spellcasting
|types=Spellcasting
|summary=You can cast your spells faster, without metamagic feats.
|prereqs=Caster Level 21, Ability to cast level 9 spells, [[Rapid Spell]] feat, [[Quicken Spell]] feat.
|fluff=You can cast your spells faster, without metamagic feats.
|benefit=This is a spellcasting feat that scales with your Caster Level. After taking this feat, you cannot cast your spells faster with metamagic feats or automatic metamagic feats.
*'''CL21:''' You can cast your spells one level faster then before. If it is was days, now it is hours, hours to minutes, minutes to rounds, rounds to standard action.
*'''CL26:''' You can cast your spells in one unit of time, if it was in a few. If it was days, now it one day, hours to 1 hour, minutes to 1 minute, rounds to 1 round.
*'''CL31:''' You can cast your spells one level faster then before. If it was days, now it hours, hours to minutes, minutes to rounds, rounds to standard action.
*'''CL36:''' You can cast your spells that was a standard action, as a free action instead.  You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast such spells. You may cast only one such quickened spell per round.  A spell whose casting time is more than 1 standard action cannot be quickened. Casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.
|example=<!-- If your feat has a complicated mechanic, give an example of how it works. -->
|normal=
|special=
}}
Prerequisite	Caster Level 21, Ability to cast level 9 spells, Rapid Spell feat, Quicken Spell feat +, Caster Level 21 +, Ability to cast level 9 spells +, Rapid Spell feat + and Quicken Spell feat. +
Summary	You can cast your spells faster, without metamagic feats. +
Type	Spellcasting +