Difference between revisions of "Talk:Self-Binding Jar (3.5e Equipment)"
Luigifan18 (talk | contribs) (→Ratings: Crap, the macro doesn't work from my iPad, either! I'll have to tell an admin. Well, there's nothing to do but to rate the page manually.) |
Luigifan18 (talk | contribs) (→Answering Query: Okay, now I'm just plain confused. Why the HECK did you think it was a good idea to have resilient sphere be used to make this item when that spell is completely unrelated?!?) |
||
| (2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown) | |||
| Line 3: | Line 3: | ||
{{Rating|rater=Luigifan18|rating=favor|reason=I'll admit — I took a look at the name of this article and assumed it was either some sort of fantasy BDSM gear or some sort of trap designed to get people to trap themselves in a [[SRD:Soul Bind|''soul bind'']] or [[SRD:Trap the Soul|''trap the soul'']] effect. So I was a bit surprised when I saw that it was actually designed to facilitate the use of [[SRD:Magic Jar|''magic jar'']] instead. | {{Rating|rater=Luigifan18|rating=favor|reason=I'll admit — I took a look at the name of this article and assumed it was either some sort of fantasy BDSM gear or some sort of trap designed to get people to trap themselves in a [[SRD:Soul Bind|''soul bind'']] or [[SRD:Trap the Soul|''trap the soul'']] effect. So I was a bit surprised when I saw that it was actually designed to facilitate the use of [[SRD:Magic Jar|''magic jar'']] instead. | ||
| − | As written, ''magic jar'' is an entertaining body-surf spell with the unfortunate drawbacks of leaving your own body at risk of being ganked and not allowing your spirit to wander too far away from a central point. This nifty magic item solves both of those problems. I'm sure it'll be a favorite of subterfuge-loving wizards everywhere.}} | + | As written, ''magic jar'' is an entertaining body-surf spell with the unfortunate drawbacks of leaving your own body at risk of being ganked and not allowing your spirit to wander too far away from a central point. This nifty magic item solves both of those problems, albeit at the cost of making it slightly more obvious that the user is possessing something. (Sure, someone could smash the jewel, but that's trickier than coup-de-gracing a significantly larger and softer immobile body, and smashing the jewel is even ''harder'' when it's embedded into a possessed host's body, so I can consider the "vulnerable body" weakness alleviated.) I'm sure it'll be a favorite of subterfuge-loving wizards everywhere. |
| + | |||
| + | However, I do have one little nitpick. It's an easily fixed problem, but it's jarring nonetheless. I find it odd that this item's caster level is 7; ''magic jar'' is a 5th-level spell, so the minimum class/caster level for a wizard casting it is 9 (and for a sorcerer, the minimum class/caster level is 10). (A [[Viewtiful Monarch (3.5e Prestige Class)|Viewtiful Monarch]] only needs a class/caster level of 5 to cast ''magic jar'', but by that point, she's at least a 13th-level character, and I'm not even entirely sure why I put ''magic jar'' on the Viewtiful Monarch spell list, considering that it's not a particularly flashy spell.) So, considering that you need a character level of at ''least'' 9 to cast ''magic jar'', why is this a level 7 item?}} | ||
| + | |||
| + | == Answering Query == | ||
| + | |||
| + | Glad you like it Luigi. As far as your question, CL for items is generally irrelevant unless you're concerned about dispelling it. Unless I have a reason otherwise, I generally just set it to the minimum of whatever spells were involved. | ||
| + | |||
| + | I debated on what spell this should have used, and ''magic jar'' would have been totally legit. However I found it compelling to use ''resilient sphere'' instead for the "you get trapped in a bubble" aspect. So I decided to go with that and thus, 7th level abjuration. | ||
| + | |||
| + | So, "mostly whim". -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 03:03, 6 September 2018 (MDT) | ||
| + | |||
| + | :''Wait a minute''... so, this item's function revolves around ''magic jar'', but its creation requires ''resilient sphere'' instead. '''How the ''heck'' does that make any sense?!?''' Congratulations, your seventh-level wizard now has a magic item that ''he can't even use'' until he's gained two more class levels!!! <sarcasm>''Brilliant!!!''</sarcasm> --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 18:22, 6 September 2018 (MDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 00:22, 7 September 2018
Ratings[edit]
|
Luigifan18 favors this article and rated it 4 of 4! |
|---|---|
| I'll admit — I took a look at the name of this article and assumed it was either some sort of fantasy BDSM gear or some sort of trap designed to get people to trap themselves in a soul bind or trap the soul effect. So I was a bit surprised when I saw that it was actually designed to facilitate the use of magic jar instead.
As written, magic jar is an entertaining body-surf spell with the unfortunate drawbacks of leaving your own body at risk of being ganked and not allowing your spirit to wander too far away from a central point. This nifty magic item solves both of those problems, albeit at the cost of making it slightly more obvious that the user is possessing something. (Sure, someone could smash the jewel, but that's trickier than coup-de-gracing a significantly larger and softer immobile body, and smashing the jewel is even harder when it's embedded into a possessed host's body, so I can consider the "vulnerable body" weakness alleviated.) I'm sure it'll be a favorite of subterfuge-loving wizards everywhere. However, I do have one little nitpick. It's an easily fixed problem, but it's jarring nonetheless. I find it odd that this item's caster level is 7; magic jar is a 5th-level spell, so the minimum class/caster level for a wizard casting it is 9 (and for a sorcerer, the minimum class/caster level is 10). (A Viewtiful Monarch only needs a class/caster level of 5 to cast magic jar, but by that point, she's at least a 13th-level character, and I'm not even entirely sure why I put magic jar on the Viewtiful Monarch spell list, considering that it's not a particularly flashy spell.) So, considering that you need a character level of at least 9 to cast magic jar, why is this a level 7 item? |
Answering Query[edit]
Glad you like it Luigi. As far as your question, CL for items is generally irrelevant unless you're concerned about dispelling it. Unless I have a reason otherwise, I generally just set it to the minimum of whatever spells were involved.
I debated on what spell this should have used, and magic jar would have been totally legit. However I found it compelling to use resilient sphere instead for the "you get trapped in a bubble" aspect. So I decided to go with that and thus, 7th level abjuration.
So, "mostly whim". -- Eiji-kun (talk) 03:03, 6 September 2018 (MDT)
- Wait a minute... so, this item's function revolves around magic jar, but its creation requires resilient sphere instead. How the heck does that make any sense?!? Congratulations, your seventh-level wizard now has a magic item that he can't even use until he's gained two more class levels!!! <sarcasm>Brilliant!!!</sarcasm> --Luigifan18 (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2018 (MDT)
