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hey == External Links == So, I'm liking the complete lack of spam pages right now. Blocking every link is ''working'', but it's not a good plan going forward. So here are a few of the options we have, and I'd like to discuss them with people because that's what I do I guess:#Back to the way things were. We leave it locked down for another week or 4, and then open it back up and hope spammers have given up on us. It works for email to go dark for a couple months (at least, it used to), but we're not entirely dark and and not an email, so who knows.#Keep it locked down, start using the whitelist. Yes, we have a whitelist.... that I and everyoneelse seems to have completely forgotten about. This is an admin (regular, non-bureaucrat admin as far as I know) editable list of sites that will override the blacklist. So we just add sites to it as needed or requested, and the external linking party continues without spam... probably. I have already added [http://www.giantitp.com GitP] to the list, which also allows through things like [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?15-Homebrew-Design GitP's Homebrew Forum].#Keep it locked down, don't use the whitelist, use interwikis for external linking instead. Interwiki links work differently than normal external links, and permanently fix the initial text of a link. You can just declare in the interwiki table that when someone puts gitpthread:<thing> in a wiki link, that it gets replace with <nowiki>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?<thing></nowiki> as an external link. Example: <nowiki>[[gitpthread:193515-Orc-Goblinoid-Resources]]</nowiki> --> [[gitpthread:193515-Orc-Goblinoid-Resources]]. This option would be better locked down than the whitelist and also forces bots to use internal wiki style links (which I've never even seen), but it's also less flexible for users and I'm not even sure if non-bureacrats can edit in new ones (I'm the only person who even tries as far as I know). I think that the whitelist is probably the best bet, as it allows the most flexibility in use and for the most people and is backwards compatible with existing external links. Any opinions on the matter? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 01:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC) :Eiji has been unable to reply to this post, because blacklist issues. If you're not eiji and reading this, please try to reply to this post even if you have nothing to add at all. If you can't let me know on my talk page. Thanks - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 09:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC) ::Should option 3. already work? I have just tried to add a new interwiki link (with forgottenrealms), but cannot save it. Hmm, and how would I get to the whitelist? Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 17:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC) :::Option 3 does already work, we would just need to add new interwiki abbreviations for anything else we wanted to say wowlink to. I tested it after you did the FR interwiki link on a publication a week or so back (which was after everything was blacklisted). Nothing has changed since then, so you being unable to add a new interwiki link is weird. There may be existing http urls on the page that would throw an error though. Were you seeing a blacklist error when you tried to save? :::As to the whitelist, you can find it at [[Mediawiki:Spam-whitelist]]. Add each url you need for linkage to the next open line. Please make them as complete as possible. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 23:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC) ::::Yes, it is really quite weird. Adding a link at [[Canon:Phlogiston]] now worked fine. I do get a blacklist error ("The text you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a blacklisted external site. The following text is what triggered our spam filter: / "), however, when I try to add the same interwiki link [[Forgottenrealms:Phlogiston|phlogiston]] at [[User:Daranios|my user page]]. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 11:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC) :::::You have existing links your use page that can no longer be saved under current black/white list conditions, and those would trigger no matter what changes you tried to make. Should add some of those to the white list. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 18:07, 28 December 2014 (UTC) ::::::So that was the problem. Thanks, now it works, and I know how to expand the whitelist as needed! [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 21:51, 28 December 2014 (UTC) == Blacklisted links == Did we make you tube a black listed site for out going links? Ive used you tube videos as link for examples of what I was referring to and I went in to update some broken links to videos that had been taken down and I got an error about it not being able to post due to a black listed website in my changes. When was this change made, and why? [[User:The-Marksman|The-Marksman]] ([[User talk:The-Marksman|talk]]) 21:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC) :We moved to an "approved link" rather than a "not blocked link" setup a few months back when I blacklisted '''everything''' to deal with spambots. We've since been adding things to the whitelist as needed / requested. Youtube seems like one I should have already done and just forgot about, so I have done it. Sorry for the invoncenience. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 21:14, 27 January 2015 (UTC) ::Thank you! :) [[User:The-Marksman|The-Marksman]] ([[User talk:The-Marksman|talk]]) 21:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC) == Posting for Leziad about Search Issues == ''(This is Eiji, the following is posted for Leziad. Are we running into whitelist issues? He kept running into them with this, but I wasn't able to locate why. And I'm able to post just fine, sooo....) -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 05:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)'' ''(I fixed it. There were some unwhitelisted things. Since I was meaning to archive stuff anyway, I manually parsed through it for links.)-- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 06:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)'' Maybe im missing something but the search function is pretty useless when you want to find particular material. By example I was trying to search for feats that affect critical hits, so I type 'critical hit', I am redirected to the SRD Critical Hit. So I try again just writing 'critical' and I am brought AGAIN to the SRD critical hit. This happen constantly, sometime redirecting me to some 4e useless reference list. Since the feat page is so bloated actually finding feats good for you is a chore and in the case of high-level feat you need to know how to expand the list. That [[Move Action|4e index]] (linking it through one of those handy redirect!, when you reply you will see the absurdity), I went ahead and looked what redirected to it, here some golden examples: arcane, divine, lightning, martial, thunder, stance, charm, zone, ranged and more. Seriously, if you use those terms alone in the search you will end up on this index. This make it very hard to find material that directly affect stances, martial maneuver users, divine feats and a load of other things through the search function. It not an SRD page that explain rules or something, no, it a list.  Again maybe im missing something here, but sometime our search function is borderline unusable. Even when the use of redirect is acceptable it still somewhat annoying, take [[Sneak Attack]] by example. It link to rogue, that useful if you need the rules for sneak attacks or if you need to make a link to sneak attack. However it not all that much harder than writing <nowiki>[[SRD:Rogue#Sneak Attack|Sneak Attack]]</nowiki>. With that said, redirect like that I accept because they do become handy, so is greatcritical hit. But critical still linking to critical hit and arcane redirecting a stupid list is perhaps a bit overzealous on the redirect? </rant>--[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 06:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC) :The built in search (as opposed to semantic searching, which is a whole different thing), strongly favors page ''title'' matches over page ''text'' matches. You can override that by scrolling to the bottom of he suggested list and selecting the ''contains'' part, but it's non-obvious most of the time. You can also just not use the whole word and not select a completion suggestion.  :But the larger problem there is that single word redirect pages are aggressively selected for in searches, and they link to specific things rather than defaulting to the 'contains' search. Just removing these redirect pages or moving them so that they include an edition tag at the beginning would probably help. Things which are not edition specific should probably not redirect to edition specific pages. 'Dex' as an SRD redirect is pretty poor, but '3.5e Dex' would probably be fine. :If you wanted to search for pages that had a specific property set to Arcane (or whatever), you'd need to use the semantic search. Or the semantic drilldown that we haven't even looked at since early wikia days. It's a whole different problem. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 16:25, 16 March 2015 (UTC) ::Surgo here (at work). If I can catch you all on chat I want to talk about this and what we can do to improve matters. [[Special:Contributions/2620:0:1000:3103:CC50:112E:A810:AE93|2620:0:1000:3103:CC50:112E:A810:AE93]] 16:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC) :::I can try to be on later, just ping me when it's convenient and I'll see what I can do. :::Short of removing the short redirects to avoid the default search behavior or altering the default search behavior to trigger the 'contains' when you don't specifically select a specific page from the suggested list, I'm not really sure what would work well. Semantic search / drilldown probably wouldn't help in this instance, because we don't track what stuff modifies crits. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 17:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC) ::::(Edit Conflict!) I'll mention this here since it's pertinent maybe, [[Special:Search]] allows searches that don't go to articles and always just produces results, like that "containing..." selection in the scroll down for the regular search box (I also never noticed that's what that was before, so oh man, thanks for pointing that out, that's awesome). I guess going into the [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] to locate [[Special:Search]] is an extra step or two that's less convenient, but still, it's an option. --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|talk]]) 17:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC) :::::Special:Search linked in sidebar as a stopgap. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 19:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC) :::::: This will do nicely, thank you. I still think a lot of that 4e Index thing is problematic for people searching for SRD stuff but oit not that much of a big deal. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 03:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC) :::::::I agree that it's problematic from a search stand point, but I think that applies to all of the edition free SRD redirects as well. When Replace Text is working again, I'll probably go through [[Special:ListRedirects]] and migrate a bunch to other stuff. If you want to go through the list already to find the 4e redirects and unlink them manually / delete them, feel free. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 03:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC) ::::::::Well, turns out I wasn't able to make it tonight :-/ So, ReplaceText is broken? I'll see what I can do about that. I'll also survey the current search landscape and see what we can dig up. Short of digging up anything, perhaps putting together a brief guide with examples for Semantic Search would get us most of the way there (though that's not perfect). [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 07:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC) == hello i am a noob at d&d == can someone tell me where to begin with this gaem. im lookin for sum books and stuff liek that u no.  so if anyone can suggest me some good resource's id appreciate it thanksd&d noob == GOOD D&D RESOURCE'S?? == If anyone here can provied some good D&D resource's Id be thankful,[[User:D&#38;D Noob|D&#38;D Noob]] ([[User talk:D&#38;D Noob|talk]]) 16:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC) == Recent downtime == Thanks to whoever it was that texted me the wiki was down (I changed my question phone so I'm not sure whose number that was). It was really badly timed since this is one of the few weeks I'm not WFH and wasn't able to get to it immediately. The reason is a bit embarrassing: there was a badly-behaved bot that was scraping the wiki but not rate limiting itself so it was overloading us with expensive requests. I blackholed their IP to solve the immediate problem, but perhaps more importantly I just switched us from Lighttpd to Nginx. Nginx has a rate-limiter module that can limit these sorts of requests, and I'm turning it on so we shouldn't have this sort of problem again. This should also result in a small performance boost because lighttpd is ancient and hasn't been updated to make use of the new PHP cgi methods like nginx has. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 05:37, 2 March 2016 (UTC) :I un-blackholed the IP and the rate limiting is letting us operate through this just fine. Hurray! [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 05:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC) :: I want to use this occasion to thanks you for the constant support Surgo. Hurray to you! --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 06:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC) :::Surgo proves once again why he is the Hero of the Internet. Seriously, if we ever meet I'm buying you dinner. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 07:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC) ::::Sorry about the 502s -- just a couple of teething issues with the new PHP installation. Unfortunately it happened in the middle of the night (for my time zone) while I was asleep and I wasn't able to get to it until after I came to work. - Surgo (not logged in) :::::The text was probably from me. I sent one early this morning after a reminder from Leziad that the wiki was gronked at the time. I got a reply on the text, so yeah, there's that to confirm. I knew I should have put my name on it. Oh well. Didn't feel like sending a second text with just that on it. --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|talk]]) 00:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC) ::::::Looks like I haven't quite solved those teething problems yet. Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 16:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC) :::::::Seems like the immediate trouble is over but I'm having some issues with Recaptcha that is probably preventing IP edits. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 08:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC) == Creating Account == The sign up page appears to be borked, with people unable to input the captcha. Anyone know how to fix this? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 06:47, 5 July 2016 (UTC) : I've pinged Surgo about this. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] ^{[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]} 19:02, 5 July 2016 (UTC) ::Fixed. The people behind ConfirmEdit extension CHANGED A SETTING VARIABLE'S NAME, thus breaking everyone who used ConfirmEdit. WTF. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 01:06, 6 July 2016 (UTC) == help needed == So I am working on a project called project fire emblem D&D it is meant to be a mix of Fire emblem and D&D but currently nobody is helping so if you would like to join {{unsigned|XX the memenist Xx}} You should probably make it a sourcebook instead of haphazardly creating random pages in the main wikispace. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 22:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC) == Captcha Problems == Someone in the IRC channel is having problems signing up due to the captcha. Here's what he's saying: reCAPTCHA shows a check mark, but the website says " Incorrect or missing CAPTCHA." Anything we can do to help him? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 16:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC) :Ugh I saw this a bit after I went away from the weekend. Taking a look now... [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 18:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC) ::You've gotta be kidding me, those jokers at MediaWiki changed variable names '''again'''. Alright it should work now. Let me know immediately if it does not. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 20:34, 14 August 2016 (UTC) ::: Now a user is having trouble with e-mails. First he got a message that his e-mail contained an invalid character, and after that he received the following message: "Unknown error in PHP's mail() function." --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 05:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC) ::::Email should work now. A system upgrade moved the location of the program that sends the emails. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC) ::@Surgo: I think they don't like the REcaptcha software, hence the variable name changes. Better to just use a simple math formula like "What is 12 + 80". You can pick two digits at random or cycle through a pre-made set of them. [[User:Cedric|Cedric]] ([[User talk:Cedric|talk]]) 18:19, 9 October 2017 (MDT) :::I don't think that would work. Bots can read text and do math just fine, it's why most captchas use distorted text in picture files, or images of things robots don't inherently understand like "what are dog faces"? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 18:57, 9 October 2017 (MDT) ::::Math captchas like that haven't worked in over a decade. The anti-spam systems we have right now are working fairly well, why are you suggesting a change? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 23:48, 9 October 2017 (MDT) :::::Cedric is a bot confirmed. ;P -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 08:33, 10 October 2017 (MDT) :::Math captchas have worked. How is a bot going to know that an arbitrary string of chars is a math expression? Give me a break. Just do something slightly unexpected and a bot will get tripped up. Stop harassing me. {{Unsigned|216.75.118.194}} ::::You are factually incorrect, as at one point we had math captchas and they are useless. If you don't want to be confronted with captchas when editing, register an account. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 16:55, 1 November 2017 (MDT) ::::I'm telling you it's not working! I've had to give up on edits because after about 50 (50!) f*cking clicks it wouldn't accept or verify. IT'S F*CKING ABUSIVE. [[Special:Contributions/68.189.225.65|68.189.225.65]] 15:36, 28 November 2017 (MST) ::::: You should have led with that, rather than just bringing it up now. Simple solution for you: log into your account. We know you're Cedric. So just log into Cedric and edit as Cedric, not ips. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 15:40, 28 November 2017 (MST) :Oh, and BTW, this captcha system SEEMS to work because it keeps vandals AND EVERYONE ELSE from saving anything. ''So how would you ever KNOW?'' ::Hi Cedric. You have an account here. A simple solution was given to all of your captcha problems: log your ass in. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 23:18, 21 June 2018 (MDT) == Publicity == If someone wants to put a word in for us [http://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/4zcgc1/what_can_we_do_to_improve_the_content_of_ddwiki/ here], I think it would be a good idea. I plan on doing it myself when I get home, but that will be in a number of hours. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 14:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC) : [https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/57l9qy/help_optimizing_my_characterstrategy_to_stay/d8swwzd Our image]--we really need to work on it :-/ {{unsigned|Ghostwheel}} :: Radical ideas: what if we change our domain name? And we could move all the homebrew content to the new domain name, but leave the SRD and OGL material on this domain name. It would solve most of the complaints, I think. Then when people say "D&D wiki suckz", we can reply: "Yup, it does. Take a look at our wiki: we actually curate it and have the concept of authorship". --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ([[User talk:Aarnott|talk]]) 00:21, 19 October 2016 (UTC) ::: To what, something like... dnd-homebrew.com or somesuch?::: I'm not sure it would make much of a difference, since people are leery about homebrew in general unless we do a massive public campaign, like a weekly AMA, each time by one of our more prolific homebrewers to get ourselves out there and have people understand that we have actual quality control on this wiki. Once we do that, I think we can turn people's perception, and get our name out there at the same time to allow others to speak up and suggest homebrew from us when people ask for something, and also perhaps get more new blood writing content for the wiki. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 00:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC) :::: I was thinking something more clever if possible. Similar to how Memory Alpha is a wiki but the name doesn't outright say "Star Trek". The advantage is that it can be referred to as its own "thing" so people can start forming new opinions instead of carrying preconceptions. Lots of people like the GitP forums and their form of quality control is basically that threads will die with no comments. I really do think that a wiki is an ideal way to distribute homebrew and I think a bit of effort differentiating and maybe a brief walkthrough set of pages on why we think a wiki is a Tavern good idea might go a long way. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ([[User talk:Aarnott|talk]]) 00:49, 19 October 2016 (UTC) ::::: This may be a radical suggestion, but what if this wiki shifted primary focus from the homebrew section to the encyclopedia section? Dungeons & Dragons could really use a major encyclopedia wiki, like Memory Alpha is for Star Trek. My suggestion is moving the homebrew content to a "Homebrew:" namespace, and moving the "Canon:" namespace content to the main namespace. In this way, the wiki could fill a need while differentiating itself from Dandwiki. It would also help prevent people mistaking homebrew for official content, and avoid name clashes between homebrew and official content. --[[User:Dungeon Master Mimic|Dungeon Master Mimic]] ([[User talk:Dungeon Master Mimic|talk]]) 11:30, 24 April 2017 (MDT) :::::: That would be a huge shift, most of the existing userbase are homebrewers so we would need a lot of new blood willing to do all this shit. I am pretty sure each official campaign setting have their own wiki as well. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 13:35, 24 April 2017 (MDT) :::::::I naturally like the idea, having been active a lot in the Canon section, and totally agree that something like Memory Alpha would be great to have for D&D! But as [[User:Leziad|Leziad]] said, that would need a lot of contributors, as there would be lots and lots of work. Most campaign settings have their own wiki, but some are quite small and stagnant or have a different outlook. An overview can be found [[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:Canon Content Requirements#Other Wikis|here]]. - It may be outdated, but The Great Library of Greyhawk and Planescape Encyclopedia have been down for some time now, so what we could do here might be more rather than less. In any case, the basic framework would already be here as the Canon section. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 11:35, 25 April 2017 (MDT) ::::::::I'm leaning against this idea. This is probably THE best site for homebrew I know and it's got some great creators, and most of the current users enjoy the homebrew. Plus encyclopedias of All Things D&D are out there. I'm not sure if I should link or mention any since our sister site is likely competing with them, but is restricted to just the SRD (d20Srd) but they're out there. I think being the go to homebrew site is a much better goal. - [[User:Aeturo|Aeturo]] ([[User talk:Aeturo|talk]]) 12:59, 25 April 2017 (MDT) :::::::::Now you got me personally interested: I guess you can find SRD at a number of places, but is there a D&D encyclopedia (like Memory Alpha for Star Trek) anywhere aside from what was left behind at Wikia when this site was formed? Thanks for sharing! [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 13:24, 25 April 2017 (MDT) :::::::::: To be fair it does not need to be one or ther other, it could be an equal focus. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 14:21, 25 April 2017 (MDT) ::::::::::: Much of 3.5 isn't fair use to publish yet? , which is another reason I lean against it. With the exception of short descriptions of things like we have in our Canon section, [[Canon:Ronin]] for example, much of what's outside the SRD we can't publish at all. - [[User:Aeturo|Aeturo]] ([[User talk:Aeturo|talk]]) 17:03, 25 April 2017 (MDT) ::::::::::::I don't think that's completely accurate. It is true that non-free material must not be directly quoted. But it is possible to paraphrase + summarize source material, as well as recombining information from different sources. Big sites like [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Wookieepedia], the [http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Forgotten Realms Wiki], and, in the end, Wikipedia work on that basis and I have not heard that they got into legal trouble. So while this issue has to be considered, it would not be a major hindrance. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 10:31, 26 April 2017 (MDT) ::::::::::::::Well we already do that in our Canon section, and to give more information (class features, racial stat adjustments, and the like) is prohibited outside of the SRD. Sites like dndtools have been shut down multiple times for offences like that. - [[User:Aeturo|Aeturo]] ([[User talk:Aeturo|talk]]) 11:32, 26 April 2017 (MDT) ::::::::::::::: I have strongly supported an effort to grow our Canon section. While we don't want rules or anything outside the SRD that is explicitly related to gameplay, a robust canon section will help establish the wiki as a usefull resource for a broader section of the community. Things such as cataloguing all the modules, and books, along with general encyclopedia entries on places, characters and such would be more than welcome. I see lots of that stuff scattered across sites all over the internet from wikipedia to places such as The Acaeum (which I hope never just dies before its invaluable information can be archived). Long story short - anyone who wants to become loremasters and work on building up the canon section has the site's full throated support and enthusiasm. Regarding copyrights the task for the canon section is to catalog the various publications themselves, rather then copy and pasting the contents of those publications. Again, take a look at the incredible publication information on The Acaeum as an example of what I'm talking about. For the encyclopedia section the goal is to describe the various topics is if they are real and you live in the D&D universe, notto cut and paste the rules for using them. [[User:Bigred|Bigred]] ([[User talk:Bigred|talk]]) 23:07, 27 April 2017 (MDT) == Email issues == While emails should be sending again, we aren't out of the woods there just yet -- Google doesn't like what we're sending and won't send it. Investigating how to fix. It has to do with ipv6 and PTR records, if you care. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC) == WOW IT LOOKS DIFFERENT == The new website look is great. Kudos to whoever made the update. --[[User:YouLostMe|YouLostMe]] ([[User talk:YouLostMe|talk]]) 18:50, 2 January 2017 (MST) == Helping the Wiki == We are well into the marketing and technical aspects of spreading the word about the site and increasing it's online footprint. I have a simple request for the admins and other fans of the site. The single most effective thing any individual person can do from a time point of view is to add a link back to the site in your signature on any RPG or other D&D related sites/wikis/forums you visit. Especially ones that you have a longstanding account on with many, many posts over the years. A simple plain link to https://dnd-wiki.org or linked via [https://dnd-wiki. org | D&D Wiki] can be done easily and have a dramatic effect when performed by dozens of people across their favorite RPG sites. :Already done for me chief, but next time I spot us being mentioned on r/dnd I'll see if I can promote a bit. I totally agree that multiple people with links is super effective! -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 16:54, 3 January 2017 (MST) == Whitelist == We're starting to get spammed again, how do we turn the whitelist back on? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 03:13, 19 May 2017 (MDT) :Undo the most recent change on [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]]. That will kill all outgoing links except things on [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]]. {{unsigned|Surgo}} :: Thanks! --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 01:49, 20 May 2017 (MDT) ===D&D Beyond===Can we get D&D Beyond links white-listed? www.dndbeyond.com/ --[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 18:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC) : Should be added 👍 --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 18:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC) == Latest version of Mediawiki? == According to the stats, this wiki is currently using Mediawiki version 1.26.2, but the latest stable release (July 13 2017) is 1.29.0. Should the site keep up with the latest version? == Software Updates == The versions of MediaWiki, PHP, and Apache Server are all a few years behind. With the recent attack, are there plans to upgrade these? --[[User:DanielDraco|DanielDraco]] ([[User talk:DanielDraco|talk]]) 18:35, 15 August 2017 (MDT) :In addition, you ''need'' a new TLS cert for all of your sites. The old one should beconsidered compromised. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 15:24, 17 August 2017 (MDT) -There are no plans to update MediaWiki at this time. Apache and PHP are both running the latest versions available. There is currently no need to replace the existing certificate, it was not compromised. The vulnerability was within wordpress on another site hosted on the server. - F1rstLegion == Discord == I apologize if there's a better place to put this, but is something screwy going on with the Discord server? I only see myself, Maxim, Ellibu, and Dynobot in the server. Did Discord have a netsplit, or did everyone leave (or get kicked)? [[User:Geodude671|Geodude671]] ([[User talk:Geodude671|talk]]) 15:16, 30 December 2017 (MST) == Submitting a race. == Hello, I just made my first race and I was wondering how to submit it, I tried to earlier but I didn't see it in the list for 3.5 races. Can anyone help me?  :The tables are automatically generated. Usually just wait an hour and as long as the race has the proper categories (the ones already put there in the preload) and you follow the format, it will appear. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 18:03, 9 June 2018 (MDT) == SRD5 == The [[SRD5]] is finally finished, AFAIK! --[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 20:47, 7 October 2018 (MDT) == Server updates necessary == The site software is out of date again. As of 15 December 2018: * Server is using PHP 5.5.9-1ubuntu4.25 (May 2018). Current version is PHP 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.26 (Sep 2018) with security updates.* PHP5 is end-of-life on 31 Dec 2018. Ubuntu is still getting security updates but is there a plan to migrate to PHP7?* Mediawiki is on version 1.30.0. Latest version is 1.31 and requires PHP7. Any idea when an upgrade may happen? : For things like that, probably best to leave a message on Bigred's [[User_talk:Bigred|talk page]]. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 12:43, 15 December 2018 (MST) == HTTPS Certificate config == Heyo - As a non-urgent point, the HTTPS certificate for the website isn't properly configured! The site should send its own cert as well as the intermediate CA that signed it, but the site only sends the former. While most browsers are often forgiving about this and tend to work it out anyways, it will be an issue for some users, and certainly for poor wikibot users trying to the use the API! See: https:\\phabricator.wikimedia.org\T211813. Except forward slashes, not back ones - Goshdang spam filter. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] ([[User talk:SgtLion|talk]]) 04:06, 16 December 2018 (MST):Blork. I see it was updated just two days ago. Dang self-made ignorance. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] ([[User talk:SgtLion|talk]]) 04:16, 16 December 2018 (MST) == DynamicPageList (Third Party) version == Well, take #2. The [[Special:Version|DPL third-party version]] is way outta date; and it's breaking handy regexes like [[User:SgtLion/PagesNeedingID|this potential one]], stuff like WfMsg not being valid on the latest MW version and such. Updating this would be dang handy~ --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] ([[User talk:SgtLion|talk]]) 13:58, 16 December 2018 (MST) : I See it, and will turn this over to our programer. == Administrative help == Hello. I'm [[User:Cedric]]. Recently, I've been victim to abuse by other folks here with admin rights. After being called a "racist piece of shit"for creating more races that will be more natural fits for Asian or native American players, players from india, African players, etc. I was treated disresectly -- IN MY OWN USER SPACE, by the DELETION of MY OWN CONTENT. The [[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:Copyrights|Copyright]] give me the rights to my content, so this is blatent abuse. That was ORIGINAL CONTENT made for high-schoolers and other that cannot be easily replicated. There was no reason for it, as it was in its own namespace and unlinked by any other content. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR IT. Please kick these people off or do something. I'm very depressed about it and seriously thinking whether life if worth it. [[User:Cedric|Cedric]] ([[User talk:Cedric|talk]]) 13:14, 29 March 2019 (MDT) :The fact that you maintain copyright on your own work does not change the fact that we can delete articles as we wish. The person who called you a "racist piece of shit" was not an administrator. I, however, am (and I'm the head administrator at that). A number of users pointed out -- and I agreed -- that the material could be construed as racist. As a result, I gave you 24 hours to change or remove it -- including some very simple suggestions on how to change it (merely by changing ''the name''). You refused to do this, so I deleted it as I said I would. And yes, there was a very good reason for it -- this site does not endorse things that are racist, a policy which '''includes deleting them'''. If you dislike the way your material is received here, perhaps you should find an audience where it might be received better than this site. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 13:56, 29 March 2019 (MDT) == Inactive admins == Hey, you may want to consider removing the admin permissions from sysops who have been inactive for a considerable period of time, as they present a security risk. The following administrators have not made any edits in at least a year: * [[Special:Contributions/Aarnott|Aarnott]] and [[Special:Contributions/Aarnott Bot|Aarnott Bot]]* [[Special:Contributions/DanielDraco|DanielDraco]]* [[Special:Contributions/FirstLegion|FirstLegion]]* [[Special:Contributions/Havvy|Havvy]] and [[Special:Contributions/Havvy bot|Havvy bot]] [[User:Geodude671|Geodude671]] ([[User talk:Geodude671|talk]]) 11:23, 9 April 2019 (MDT) :Aarnott was one of the original three lead admins (Surgo and Tarx being the others), can see why he may be a special case. And Geo makes a good point, a few admins have been inactive for a while.--Franken Kesey 11:39, 9 April 2019 (MDT) ::Admin positions are generally lifelong here. We've had admin accounts get hacked before, but generally those things can be undone without much fanfare. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 16:08, 9 April 2019 (MDT) == Anyone write bots recently? == I haven't in ages but I'd like to kill off the Disgaeaverse setting page, which I never finished importing, and everything that it and its subpages link. I'll do it if nobody else wants to, but I figure someone might have a more modern bot framework sitting around (I wrote a bunch of stuff in Perl back in the day and I do not believe it works with the API anymore). [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 19:38, 10 April 2019 (MDT) : Are there not just three pages;: * [[Disgaeaverse (3.5e Sourcebook)]]: * [[Disgaeaverse (3.5e Sourcebook)/Classes]]: * [[Disgaeaverse (3.5e Sourcebook)/Races]]: As those are the only pages that turn up when I run a bot looking for Disgaeaverse things, and the rest of the things that these pages link to seem to be proper classes that we'd want to stick around? Like, I'm sure I could do what you want with this (nodemw is a good framework for creating easy Node-powered MediaWiki bots), but I may not be seeing the scope of this. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] ([[User talk:TK-Squared|talk]]) 11:37, 11 April 2019 (MDT)

:If you do make some sort of chat, make sure it's nothing like == Accessing Featured Articles from the old one? >_> Perhaps deciding on an IRC channel somewhere on a server (where people can connect via Mibbit) might be a good idea... --GhostwheelHomepage ==

::That's exactly what we're doingAt some point in the past, it was possible to view all the pages on the Wiki that could show up on the homepage under the "Featured Article" header. It will have looks like that link is gone now. Is there still a tavern-like interface available here for page where those who want are listed, and (if so) is there a way to link iton the homepage? I have wanted to look at that page a few times in the last couple months, but I have never been able to locate it will also be connectible via IRC client. This process is halfway complete. --[[User:YLM|YLM]] ([[Usertalk:SurgoYLM|Surgotalk]] 06) 08:0941, 14 August 2009 2 January 2020 (UTC)

:You can find all articles that could appear in the featured section [https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Category: Lemme know Community_Favorite here when it's done, as well as the server/channel? ]. Hope that helps! --[[SpecialUser:Contributions/76.169.236.139Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|76.169.236.139talk]] 15) 09:4157, 14 August 2009 2 January 2020 (UTC)

:::: Any update on this? That does help. Thank you, Ghostwheel! --[[Special:Contributions/76162.169158.236106.13981|76162.169158.236106.13981]] 0208:5625, 18 August 2009 3 January 2020 (UTC)

:::::: The advert on the left navigation panel is taking up an inordinate amount of space. This sounds pretty good. Mibbit is amazing, one of my favorite online tools and probably especially true when viewing the best web client out there. If we can get website over a little portal-like thing that we can link to from our sidebar, this would be idealmobile device. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 0719:4605, 26 August 2009 27 February 2020 (UTC)

:Plus they just look like shit on mobile. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03::::: So is anyone actually ever in any of the irc channels listed here or on the talk page? I popped into them43, and no one was there at all... :-S28 February 2020 (UTC)

::::::::: We're in Iron City right now, we'll be moving over I noticed the left-side column and had to reduce the irc channel shortlyscren size to 90% for easier navigation. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14{Catgirldreamer3100 28 Feb 2020 10:08, September 4, 2009 (UTC)22 MST}

== Compliment Un-fuckifying the sidebar ==

I just wanted to let the If you're like me or a lot of other people who've been working so hard on asked me about this that it and you think the left-hand status bar is shaping up really nice and really fast. It looks gorgeousridiculous, thanks you can use the following user CSS to Surgoreturn it to normal. Only tested on my screen which is 1080p, TK, Alec and anyone else I so you might not know who's working behind the scenes. Thank need to modify it a bit if you for giving us have a new homedifferent monitor. (Bunnie) [[There are all sorts of ways to use user CSS; I use an extension in Chrome called "User:Bunkie|Bunkie]] 16:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)JavaScript and CSS" to apply it.

<nowiki>#p-namespaces { padding-left:Typing all that in is a waste of the prescious little energy i have 0 !important; }#content { margin-left at this hour, so ill just say i think exactly the same as bunnie: 175px !important; }#mw-panel { width: 160px !important; }#mw-panel li { font-size: 0. Cookies for the people who worked so hard on it8em !important; }#mw-panel . portal h3 { font--[[Usersize:Hijax|Hijax]] 18:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)0.8em !important; }</nowiki>

I'd like to see less :[[3https://gist.github.5e Races]] and more [[User Races]], moving com/radthemad4/472c676a0609b5f127645d35508efa5a Here's an update that includes the latter over past space at the former where appropriatetop. I think there's still some place for a format more like This works with the Stylus addon and should work with other custom CSS addons too]:[[3https://gist.github.5e Racescom/radthemad4/7a6ef11d9ac97b26b8e92b5ad3590a05 Or if you prefer Tampermonkey]], such as in Classes and Prestige Classes, but stuff like :--[[3.5e RacesUser:Radthemad4|Radthemad4]] needs to go -- for anyone wondering how people are going to find races by LA and other stuff, I'm going to be creating advanced search forms for that using the recently-installed Semantic Forms. Rith's uploading of these pages made me realize how drastic a change was needed because of how bad the old system was. Anyone have any thoughts on this? ([[Usertalk:SurgoRadthemad4|Surgotalk]] 16) 07:57, 13 11 August 2009 2021 (UTC)

== On the sidebar ==Is there another means to turn it back to normal? I have very little skill with computers when it comes to changes as Surgo provided: this new sidebar stinks.Catgirldreamer3100 {11:15PM 27 February 2020}:What browser are you using? [[User:radthemad4|radthemad4]] ([[User talk: Sounds goodradthemad4|talk]]), 28 February 2020::Google Chrome. {6:45am MST 28 Feb 2020}:::I installed the extension called "User JavaScript and CSS". I can't link it because we've disabled outbound links on the site except for whitelisted pages for spam reasons. Anyway, once installed, you have it workinggo to dnd-wiki.org. Click on the extension, then click "Add New" in the tiny menu that pops up. Taking Paste the text into account all of the errorsright-hand side, what's the ETA on having a good navigation system? Alsoclick save, when are the broken nav page links getting fixedand then reload dnd-wiki.org. Alternatively, or are maybe now that I posted this and they going to get replaced when everything else works? see complaints trickling in since I did, the owners will un-fuck the sidebar. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[Usertalk:IGTNSurgo|IGTNtalk]] 21) 15:42, September 1906, 2009 28 February 2020 (UTC)

== Why ::I tried to find the Advanced Navigation "User JavaScript and CSS" and kept receiving warnings of malware and 'not-safe' site-warnings; probably something I'm doing wrong on my part I'll see of a friend who deals with this stuff look at what is Taking So Long ==going on. Thanks. {Catgirldreamer3100 10:20 MST 28 Feb 2020

The problem, unfortunately, is Semantic Mediawiki is a laggy piece of crap when it comes :I have switched to updating data. Ithe 'Monobook'm in the process of changing properties and names around, adding interesting filters, etcskin (under preferences) until this issue is fixed. UnfortunatelyNot as pretty, it takes like a day for any change but I make to can actually propagate to everything that needs to know about itread and edit pages. --[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 15:20, so it takes a day for me to see if what I did actually works. That's what's taking so long here.9 March 2020 (UTC)

:YeahNow that I am accessing the site sans adblocker, want some help on those category structures Surgo? The ones in there now aren't so useful for searching for content. Things I would expect to be subcategories of other things aren't over here the main page is borked with the oversized sidebar (because they're absent or just a regular categoryleft) , the right side squished in the middle, and it makes searching with it very bizarre. How different from the nav pages did you want to make right barren save "This website is completely unofficial and in no way endorsed by Wizards of the structure anyway? - [[User:Tarkisflux|TarkisFlux]] 01:37Coast. All names, September 23trademarks, 2009 (UTC)and images are copyright their respective owners. Click for full details.". That doesn't seem right.

== Question ==I've found IE for this wiki interesting, and one. I was planning on saving on a different set of Gestalt rules I have created in a new pageuse chrome with adblocker at home. I typed up the whole article, only to find that I was caught in a loop - It kept asking me to verify by image that I wasn't a spammer, and it lost the title in the process. Anything I'm doing wrong? -[[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[Usertalk:GralaminEiji-kun|Gralamintalk]] ) 04:1320, 24 August 2009 4 March 2020 (UTC)

::Still HappeningThe site won't load in Safari after a recent update. It's sounds like its a thing about the site loading, then loading more, so it tries to refresh, which can occur with ads. So, unless I install an adblocker, I looks like I'm not sure whycannot access the site in my main browser. There are probably fixes for this, but Idon'll try again and send screen shots of t know what I havethey are. Is anyone else having this problem? --[[User:GralaminGanteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|Gralamintalk]] ) 20:04:17, 24 August 2009 26 March 2020 (UTC)

::::Found Fix: So, some new advertisements have been added to the site, and they take up a significant portion of space. I was curious how much! I took a screenshot at fullscreen and dragged it into photoshop and did the math based on pixel-goodness. Here are the tantalizing and delicious results. For my monitor, wiki content is reduced to 31.25% of the screen, while advertisements take a hefty 68.75% of total screen space. I already can't use Safari anymore because of the ads (it continually loads ads so much that the browser thinks there's something wrong with the website and forces it to reload, which reloads the ads, preventing it from being usable). If Article anyone else has the Author templateinput on this, try removing I'd certainly be interested in hearing about it. Fixed it for meBecause 68.75% of the page is ads. <big><big><big>'''68.75%!'''</big></big></big> ... --[[User:GralaminGanteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|Gralamintalk]] 04) 15:4450, 24 August 2009 21 May 2020 (UTC)

On Green_Dragon's wiki, there are a few items from the Wizards board. On their talk page, it shows "This spell was taken, by permission, from the Wizards Boards. Here is the thread related to it: [http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=124820]" (or <nowiki>This spell was taken, by permission, from the Wizards Boards. Here is the thread related to it: [http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=124820]</nowiki>) Are those items going to be moved over? I'd really like to see the Jelly spells over here so I can move the domain too. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 09:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Removing some community links ==

:They can be movedWhile the Facebook page is run directly by BoLS, but it needs to be marked on neither the page that they discord server and IRC chat are. The moderation standards are licensed under different between the GNU FDL version 1site and them, leaving me very uncomfortable leaving them as listed officially.2Thus I plan to remove them from the sidebar. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 02([[User talk:15, September 6Surgo|talk]]) 21:35, 2009 23 October 2020 (UTC)

There are some 4e creatures in ::If there's going to be an external user-focused chat site linked here, it needs to (a) have the 3e homebrew section. Good job on building same moderation standards and rules that the wiki :does, and (b)preferably be run by the actual owners. If they want to link a discord like they do their Facebook, I am not opposed. [[User:Deranged.Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|Deranged.talk]] 12) 22:17, September 543, 2009 24 October 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks== Licensing ==The licensing at the bottom of the page is confusing. You have both the [[CC-BY-SA]] badge, but it also states the wiki is copyright BoLS. Perhaps the wording needs to be changed? I.e. that the name D&D Wiki and we know its logo are &copy; BoLS, but the content is CC-BY- a lot of nav pages are screwed because of a bug that's being fixed in the upcoming weekSA unless otherwise noted. --[[User:SurgoRlyehable|SurgoRlyehable]] 13([[User talk:28, September 5Rlyehable|talk]]) 00:47, 2009 8 July 2021 (UTC)

:::I suggest using the Netbook of Feats categories, plus five additional categories for stuff that was assumed or irrelevant in the NBoF (possible Completeness, Organization, Grammar/Spelling, Linkage, and Illustration). I found the NBoF categories very useful both when submitting feats and when selecting feats, but more coverage is needed here. --[[UserFile:Ideasmith|IdeasmithNice_Website.png]] 21:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

::::NBoF is overall pretty horrible. Our rating system is going to be the Rating Committee idea. ItExcellent formatting you's already set up, we just need to get ratingve got there. --[[User:SurgoFoxwarrior|SurgoFoxwarrior]] 22([[User talk:26, September 8Foxwarrior|talk]]) 03:25, 2009 13 August 2021 (UTC)

:::::If your new system tells me more What are you talking about why the reviewers did/didn't like a rule, I definitely want to know more about it. Where can I learn more about what categories are used for this rating system? --[? It looks [Userhttps:Ideasmith|Ideasmith//imgur.com/9xTvgLe great]] 23:53, September 8, 2009 (UTC)to me!

:::::::Awesome. I'd very much like it if my ideas got ratedAny discussion on what we, since I am simply a designer with little feeling for appropriate challenge ratings and such. The only question I have regarding as the rating is what it'll be: LG (5/10 This needs a little workwiki, perhaps if you did it more like so-and-soare going to refer the 2024 revision of 5th edition?), LN (5/10 This gets a five out of ten, because bla.) or LE (5e? 5.24e? 5e.2024? 5e/10 delete this because of a lack of quality)24? 2024e? something else? And the SRD5 revision in 2025? [[User:DerangedSRD5.|Deranged25? SRD5.]] 17:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)24? SRD25? other?

::::::::The ratings work as follow: Bronze Star if x people Is there any community consensus for this, elsewhere on the RC like it, Silver Star if y like it, and Gold Star if z+ like it. I've forgotten the values of x, y, and z momentarily. We decided to work this way because of our dissatisfaction with numerical rating systems and how little they ended up meaning. internet? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 17([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:20, September 928, 2009 28 May 2024 (UTC)

::I have not seed a community consensus for this. --[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 13:::::And specific comments can and will be given on the discussion pages? I mean58, it's terrific to know if and how many people like my idea, but it could be handy to know how to make MORE people like my idea...20 June 2024 (UTC)

::::::::::Of course. The Rating Committee in no way, shape, or form makes talk pages I have started to use (and 5e24) as a suffix to page names for the discussions therein) obsolete2024 release of 5th edition. --[[User:SurgoRlyehable|SurgoRlyehable]] 17([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 18:2816, 17 September 9, 2009 2024 (UTC)