User talk:Spazalicious Chaos/Avatarization (3.5e Guide)

This is Dumb

For these reasons:

1. If I wanted to play a "real world" person, WoD would be a much better system for emulating real people.
2. If I wanted to play myself, I wouldn't play a fantasy RPG.
3. RPGs are an escape. See #2.
4. If we were to actually be in D&D, we would all be commoners, or, if we're REALLY special, experts. Yes, even a "bard" is just a commoner with ranks in Perform (and again, emulated far better in WoD).
5. We're all low level. Can you take a crit from an axe, even if it were wielded by someone with no strength, and not A. fall unconscious after a few moments, and B. have your ability to move around and fight and so on completely unhampered? I didn't think so. No one really can.

gg --Ghostwheel 07:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Also what if you're like me, an eldritch abomination reflected in real number space as a humanoid figure? It would be quite unfair for me to stat myself in D&D, since by definition my powers are infinite, limited only by the fact that I am technically sleeping, and the act of me waking up would probably obliterate your "physics" thing you humanoids seem to rely on. But in all seriousness, this is bad and you should feel bad. Also, I chortle (in a bad way) at your sidebar which basically reads "Starting at a high level? Well you're going to be behind everyone else, lawl." -- Eiji-kun 07:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Funny how the majority of your arguments rely on people I know not existing...

1. Agreed.
2. Clearly the sign of lack of self confidence. I ran a group were we all agreed to play ourselves, and there was one guy who said just that. I worked with him and pointed out A) he was a masters in chemistry, B) he is freakishly smart, and C) he was a hunter as a hobby. He ended up being a ranger with craft (alchemy) skill focus. He blew up a dragon with lye. It was awesome.
3. Lame excuses. Make yourself and use yourself to kill a giant. Escape.
4. No, because D&D is nothing like real life. Hit points, skills and combat are all off. It is not an inheritly realistic system and does not handle the wide range of human capability at all.
5. Last guy I knew that took a critical hit peritod took a knife to the chest. He picked up the guy who stabed him and slammed him on the ground so hard he broke the guys spine. I have fallen thrity feet, landed on my back, and was able to enjoy the rest of my hike.

Conclusion- you need cooler friends. Reality is so awesome, but apparently you just never got to experience it.--Change=Chaos. Period. SC 07:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

SC, that's bullshit. Apparently you hang out with either godlike paragons of human capability, or you are lying. Second of all, D&D involves characters routinely doing things that are literally impossible to do in reality, like magic, in order to have nearly any fun at all. No one who wants to be a wizard or sorcerer or cleric or druid can use this guide whatsoever, because once these characters can do shit the players themselves can't do, THEY CEASE TO BE AVATARS.

Fuck, even your stupid guide says that "If you're the type who'd be a Druid, you probably don't play D&D". This guide is completely worthless. Everything that's your own idea is useless, redundant, pointless, or has no real function, and everything that's possibly worthwhile, usable, or fun has already been thought up by other people literally decades ago.

And this is a reoccuring thing I see in ALL your contributions. And by the way, stop fucking using "Well the people in MY games like X/can do X no problem", either give us some names, have them chime in themselves, or give tangible proof. Otherwise you're resorting to ad hoc fallacies that are only marginally better than just sockpuppeting. --71.82.214.138 08:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm feeling charitable right now. While making an article about turning RL you into fictional you is pretty pointless, it's not as if I haven't done such, but under much different rules. First of all, stats were merely eyeballed. For example, my strength is pretty good, as is my charisma, my dex is ok, and I got poop for constitution, just figuring out how I am in life with me often getting sick and my relative strength or popularity compared to the average joe. Then I adapt it to the game. Thats the big point there where we'd differ. Say the game is a high point buy classic adventure romp. I'd assign points based on my observations (middling to good strength, bad con, high charisma.... regardless if "high charisma" means 18s for good point buy or 15s for low point buy), without having to worry if my 16 Str correlates with my actual RL lifting capacity. This, after all, is the world where the "average man" can sprint for a full minute. All I am concerned about is if I compare similar in ratio to the D&D commoner than with the RL commoner.

Likewise, I take plenty of liberties with classes, basically boiling down to "what do you feel comfortable in". Ganteka, one of my friends, is so much a druid. No, he doesn't have magic in reality, but he's all about animals and plants and those traits are very druidy. Me, I'm a sorcerer. I don't feel as poetic and musically talented as a bard, but I have a high charisma and am a great DM (apparently), able to weave images of sword and sorcery for my players. So heck, call it illusion. I'm an illusionist sorcerer. And so on and so forth. And level? Level is unimportant. Level is a game mechanic. Who cares if I cannot major image in real life. Level 5 me can, and does. If RL could level, I'm sure that would translate into "being able to weave a tale so awesome that I practically have them hearing all the sounds and smells of my stories in their heads". But mostly, it's not too important. Getting close is good enough.

Then adjust your stats as needed for optimization (because after all, this is a game, and just because you might be a fatty with terrible skills IRL doesn't mean your character has to suck) and then you're done.

But then again I would re-iterate why it would need an article. After all, I've just defined how to base a D&D character on yourself without gimping yourself or employing strange and unusual tactics to "measure oneself", and I've done it in two paragraphs. Not that it matters to me, you've been making articles like this all the time for you own thing. But this might help you understand why this comes off as both misguided and all around pointless.

Also, that sidebar still gets me. -- Eiji-kun 09:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)