Talk:Flatland's Abstraction (3.5e Maneuver)

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Some edge case questions:

• Can you disarm / pickpocket / loot things from creatures in the AoE at different heights?
• If you grapple a creature and end the stance, do either of you change height?
• How does it work indoors / underground? Or in a building with multiple floors? Does it go down and get ground creatures as well as air ones?
• Can other creatures in the AoE gain the same benefit?
• Does a fireball or other 3d effect cast in the AoE affect creatures regardless of height?

And it probably doesn't need to be infinite, since you could use it to strike at things on the moon (or farther away) with a bit of setup. A 10 mile / end of atmosphere / ceiling height would probably get you all of the local flatness you wanted and avoid some of the above edge case weirdness. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 04:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, yes, works normally indoors, you're on the floor you're on, it doesn't get ground creatures, yes, and yes. --Luigifan18 (talk) 05:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Rules as to what happens to the elevation of you and your target when the stance ends while you are grappling someone would be nice. As is, I have no idea where either creature ends up. Actually... rules as to what elevation a target has when you leave the stance or AoE at all would be nice. You mention an instantaneous rewriting of all elevations, which suggests anyone who enters it is just set to your ground level and doesn't get back their normal height when the effect ends or they leave, but it's not clear.

And now, new questions! You specify only objects that are in midair, not objects that are above you, as being moved down. So if you're on the bottom floor of a two story house, you might move a dragon flying above the house down into the room with you but you wouldn't get any creatures on the second floor? Or is the effect subject to line of effect limits, and would be blocked by the walls and ceiling?

Can you drop a flying thing directly above you, like a paratrooper or an airship, so that you and it would occupy the same square? If it's small relative to its space, like the paratrooper, does one of you get displaced or do you both just occupy the square for a moment? And if the object takes up the whole space, like the airship, are you displaced, crushed, or do you get to co-exist with the object? And what happens to things inside of a flatlanded object, like a box or an airship?

That may be just problems with the fluff though. A stance where you ignore a target's height and strike it based only on its horizontal distance from you is actually pretty awesome and easy to do. The part where you are moving other creatures has the weird stuff to resolve, and the more I think about it the less comfortable I am with that as a level 3 power. It's got some seriously hardcore reality bending fluff, and that stuff just doesn't happen at level 5. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 06:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)