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Okay, giving it the abomination subtype WAS a bad idea in hindsight. Sweet Lord, that's overly powerful!
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|reason=Even not regarding flavor, the mechanics are borked from the week-long fright to the 25 DR to a bunch of other things. This should be a monster instead, as I stated before.
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that you need to make sure it cleaned before re-upload it, otherwise it WILL get deleted again. It still based around the whole abduction mechanics and still has the tentacle rape, albeit not explicitly. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 22:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Also, the Mogeko Snatcher in Everlasting Dream form kind of ''is'' an eldritch abomination. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 20:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: Loyalty to the source material is no excuses. The problem with everlasting dream is not just the DR, which is 10 + character level when you get it. It a huge buff, size cat increase, +8 str/con and 7 tentacles attack is already pretty damn good. Then you get DR 25 with magic, silver AND good which is really really hard to surmount, especially for a rogue or a volley archer. Then the 7 tentacles have improved grab and double reach, which is real crazy if you increase your size cat again. Then you get to say "Fuck you, you die" to anything you grapple. Then you get all [[SRD:Abomination|this]]. Telepathy 1000 ft., blindsight 500 ft. all of your spell-like abilities are now 20th level, epic feat selection, constant non-detection, immunities, resistances, high spell resistance, true seeing at will. You literally get two laundry list of abilities, and if im I'm not mistaken in the source material (I might), it was defeated by a little girl. Like seriously, most of that shit wouldn't be kosher at level 20, never mind 15! --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 20:26, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::::: Agree with Lez here. Add onto that, that at level 15, a rogue is doing 4 attacks per round, each attack doing around 10d6 damage, averaging to 35. That's supposed to be great damage from one of the strongest strikers in the game when they get off their strongest attacks, and instead of doing 140 damage, all this creature takes is 40... if all attacks hit. Honestly, 3.5 did well when it reduced DR from around 20 max to around 10 max. If you want massive DR 10 is more than enough, else even something like a [[SRD:Twelve-Headed_Hydra|12-headed hydra]] (which is a few CR lower, but SHOULD still be able to do SOMETHING) has no chance of damaging it at all.
::::: tl;dr: Change DR to 10 static. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 21:09, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::*looks up abomination subtype* '''''Holy crap!!!''''' That is... erk... much, ''much'' stronger than I thought it was. I'll tweak Everlasting Dream so that the Mogeko Snatcher is treated as having the abomination subtype (so, for instance, it's immune to [[Mindbreak (3.5e Variant Rule)|mindbreak]]) without actually having abomination traits, or at least having them in an altered, less "holy crap that's an epic character what is this s*** doing on someone at level 15" form. I think I could also tone down the duration of the status effects. The thing to keep in mind, however, is that you only get to stay in abomination form for 1 round per character level, once per day, and when you're forced out of it, you become fatigued. That's why the buffs are so huge; they're only relevant for a tiny portion of a day. (So, I think they're roughly equal in power to +4 bonuses to everything that are active all the time.)
::::::Also, I don't think it's going to be ''too'' difficult for a level 15 character to get their hands on a weapon that's magic, silver, and good. By this point in the game, equipment is expected to be pretty damn impressive.
::::::Yonaka never defeated King mogeko. She got the hell away from him while Nega-Mogeko distracted him. Or, if you're referring to the Neutral Ending, I guess King mogeko had already used Everlasting Dream that day, so he couldn't use it again. That, and Yonaka apparently has a surprisingly high Strength score, and King mogeko, like the rest of his race, has a kind of bad Constitution score. Combine that with the fact that Yonaka was basically crushing his ''face'', which would most likely qualify as a critical hit, and... look, even high-level characters can fail their Fortitude saves against massive damage, okay? --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 22:20, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
