Talk:Victor Brauner, Painter of Ruin (3.5e Vestige)

Help Requested

I have seen your request. I'll look but it'll take a while: I need to brush up on what Art Flow is. I can say just from a glance, this thing has a loooot of powers, there are usually only 3-5 powers per vestige. Remember, you aren't just binding one vestige, especially by this level. You might have up to four at a time. When I get around to it, I will undoubtly be asking what you can cut.

Fortunately for you, I have played Painting of Ruin. Or unfortunate, since I'll be a stickler.

I will say though the feature in question you had concerns about, This is Art, probably doesn't make a good vestige power. That "power" was clearly plot McGuffain shenanigans, a reason for the game to exist. It's not really something that translates well into D&D, and even if it did it wouldn't be a thing you would do during the duration of a bind.

More later when I get time. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 18:37, 17 September 2018 (MDT)

At the moment, I'm wondering which vampire traits specifically should be excluded. I want to exclude vulnerability to sunlight because it's a headcanon of mine that vampires that are near Castlevania-verse Dracula's power level aren't really harmed by sunlight unless substantially weakened already (though depending on exactly how powerful the vampire is and how badly injured they are, sunlight may slow them down or otherwise impede them, even if the vampire can shrug off its vampire-destroying effects). Also, since the binder is only treated as a vampire for the duration of the pact, I figure that it doesn't make sense for them to lose their Constitution score. Therein lies the problem — should a binder bound to Brauner still be immune to most effects that would require a Fortitude save to negate or mitigate, or should they be vulnerable to all but a certain subset of Fortitude-resisted effects (such as poison and negative levels)? --Luigifan18 (talk) 10:15, 18 September 2018 (MDT)

Keep in mind vestiges only allow grant minimal power of their true selves, after all Tenebrus was literally Orcus and you didn't turn into a demon lord. Kas was a castlevania-level vampire and did't give all that much either. At MOST it would grant you maybe some minor undead traits. --Leziad (talk) 10:36, 18 September 2018 (MDT)