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::As for madness here is a concern of mine: you see about using madness, while I like stuff using it you need to take in consideration that it a very optional rule. I made monsters, prestige classes, feats and spell based around the system but I did not adapt any existing material to it. Not every games will use dark insight and madness, but there is no reason to be a Black Healer or a Witness of the Old Game in such a game. Material integrating madness and dark insight are simply not readily usable in games not suing those rules, and not all games will.
::Right now it way too strong, you become a nearly invincible grapple machine that inflict people with nigh impossible saving throws and make people go insane. Altough Although all of this gave me an idea... --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 19:06, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:::That's kind of the point. Defect Mogeko almost beat King mogeko, but then he used Everlasting Dream and it all went downhill from there. And Mogeko Snatcher requires 8 ranks in 3 separate skills, making it level 5 minimum — often higher in practice, seeing as Mogekos have a −4 racial penalty to Intelligence and therefore have their skill points shot to hell. At character level 15, damage reduction 25 is far from insurmountable — if all else fails, you can spam ''magic missile'' and stuff like that.
:::Also, the Mogeko Snatcher in Everlasting Dream form kind of ''is'' an eldritch abomination. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 20:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: Loyalty to the source material is no excuses. The problem with everlasting dream is not just the DR, which is 10 + character level when you get it. It a huge buff, size cat increase, +8 str/con and 7 tentacles attack is already pretty damn good. Then you get DR 25 with magic, silver AND good which is really really hard to surmount, especially for a rogue or a volley archer. Then the 7 tentacles have improved grab and double reach, which is real crazy if you increase your size cat again. Then you get to say "Fuck you, you die" to anything you grapple. Then you get all [[SRD:Abomination|this]]. Telepathy 1000 ft., blindsight 500 ft. all of your spell-like abilities are now 20th level, epic feat selection, constant non-detection, immunities, resistances, high spell resistance, true seeing at will. You literally get two laundry list of abilities, and if im not mistaken in the source material (I might), it defeated by a little girl. Like seriously, most of that shit wouldn't be kosher at level 20, never mind 15! --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 20:26, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
