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:::Also, if you're inflicting 10 madness per round, you are devoting 5 tentacles to pinning a single creature. Therefore, you cannot use those tentacles to make slam attacks against other creatures. You are effectively sacrificing 5 attacks per round, on top of the fact that you are already hindering your ability to fight other creatures by being involved in a grapple in the first place. And I'm pretty sure that immunity to mindbreak means that you can't gain madness, period. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 22:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
::::As far as I know only some prestige class use this formula, and it largely felt out of favor by the time ToB happened. Also in ALL those cases it never counted the class level from any other classes. Either take the old obsolete prestige class DC pie, or the normal DC pie. Don't mash them together, it one or the other.
::::Madness is usually either passive, or if activated inflicted on multiple creatures. The false priest's ability afflict each creatures who can hear it chime, Phynasm inflict it both passively and actively, Amaedegon the Old God will inflict it passively. There a few exception like some of the dark insight spells. As the writer of the subsystem I can tell you that 10 madness is too much at CR 15, you will mindbreak most if not all creatures in two round. Yes you devoted your whole turn to it, and you are a sucker for that. Also I still don't get the flavor behind how the snatcher inflict madness, or why he become immune to it. Flavor is mutable so I don't give much of a shit. Also as the writer of the subsystem I can tell you:
:::: Abomination aren't immune to mindbreak, there is no blanket immunity except for mindless things and maybe Elder Evil. Immunity to mindbreak only protect you against mindbreak, you still acquire madness, but it do nothing, otherwise immune creature couldn't cast many dark insight spells. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 22:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 22:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
