Talk:Heroes Never Die (3.5e Maneuver)

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	Leziad favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	While it should be Very High, it is a appropriate to the discipline it was made for. Ultimately I find myself liking this, it help make initiator user more than DPR bots. Thematically appropriate that it work in large fights quite well, turning the tide pretty instantaneously. Which it should, given it level 9. Overall good job.

I Like the Idea but...

That two 9 level spells (and not lousy ones) with a quick casting time at-will at level 17. I did make something similar on the Minstrel but it require heavy uses of a daily resource, can only happen once each 24 hours and don't super heal and clear status effect on all allies. I would be okay with this, if it was once per day per creature and did not carry heal/harm alongside. I mean, in the actual game it does nothing to non-dead allies. --Leziad (talk) 18:39, 2 October 2017 (MDT)

Well, I'm sure you get the reference, and the reference is kinda what I was going for, but I can see how Overwatch abilities aren't quite D&D Kosher, especially when I toss Mass Heal in as a bonus. Seeing as it has the limitation of the ally having died under a minute ago, I see no need to restrict its usability any further, but the gripe about the heal is perfectly valid. I still want to integrate it though, as I feel it helps this come closer to epitomizing Ideal Heart. I can make it 1/day only if you'd like, but do you have any ideas on how I can keep the Heal in tow? -SecondDeath777 21:01, 2 October 2017

Idea, immediately raise all allies from the dead and everyone heal 5 hit point per initiator level. A creature can only be raised from the dead once per day from this ability, but healing is unrestricted. --Leziad (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2017 (MDT)

Alright, gave 'er a rework. -SecondDeath777 21:22, 2 October 2017

I still have a problem with it overshadowing a 9th level spell with a 25k material component. True Rez is no joke. I would do the following: "Revive a creature that died in the last 5 rounds as per resurrection." it would also be more in-line with Mercy's old ult. --Leziad (talk) 15:47, 23 December 2017 (MST)

Okay, fine. But I'm keeping it five minutes. It's a bloody Level 9, not a parlor trick. -SecondDeath777 18:27, 23 December 2017

Fair enough. --Leziad (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2017 (MST)